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Hello Everyone,

I've just finished my third Ferrite Fox TRF radio.

( The original Ferrite Fox can be seen at: http://theradioboard.com/rb/viewtopic.php?t=3946 )

This radio was designed to explore the use of a contra-wound antenna, using a 10" Stormwise u125 ferrite core. The design was meant to create a table radio that covered the majority of the useful spectrum of a MK484 type TRF circuit, and with enough sensitivity to be used without an external antenna connection. Both of these goals were achieved.

The wiring of the tank circuit of the radio is shown below.

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I wound 30 turns of 176/46 litz on the Stormwise core and measured 120uH. Then I wound a second 30 turn coil and measured the combination inductances in series and parallel configurations. I decided I needed to reduce the individual inductances, but rather than removing windings, I opted to slide the coils out toward the ends of the core. I ended up with individual coil inductances of 115uH. The series combination of the two coils came out to 250uH, and the parallel combination came out to 66uH.

I wired the entire tank circuit using the same 176/46 litz that I used for the antenna coil. I've always wanted to make a radio where all of the rf is conducted with litz ... don't know why ... it just seemed like an interesting option :)

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The antenna coil is elevated from the bottom of the case by about 1.25" and the tall feet on the bottom of the case add another inch. So the coil is held above the table surface by a good 2". I also used nylon hardware to mount the feet and antenna, to avoid any metal being near the antenna.

Tuning is very nice, considering that a vernier is not used on the main tuning cap. The high band nicely spreads out the tuning range, with stations that you can easily tune back and forth through the peak on.

The low end of the band is also clean tuning, none of the razor thin vari-cap tweaking that I've found with my previous experiments. The advantages of a contra-wound antenna coil are now obvious to me.

Performance ... this topic is a bit tricky to explain. I don't have a way of measuring the Q the antenna, but I suspect that it is relatively low to "average". This ferrite antenna tunes differently than my previous 2 Ferrite Fox radios, both with less massive ferrites. The FF3 radio tunes with authority! By that I mean that the radio smoothly tunes into a signal, peaks up, and locks in to the station. And no amount of hand waving around the coil or cap will affect the tuning. Another puzzling characteristic is that there seems to be none of the overloading effects that I noted on the first two radios I have built ... no "clipping" or other obvious distortion. My impression is that the larger ferrite does not "saturate" as easily as smaller ferrites might when higher feedback currents are generated by the TRF circuit.

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The radio also seems fairly sensitive ... the first night I fired it up, I picked up 17 stations ... 15 of them probably locals. One of the two "DX" stations was in San Diego, and the other was good ole WWV at 2500 kHz ... the top end of the tuning range. I don't have external connections for an antenna ... this radio is supposed to pull in signals with only it's internal loopstick ... which it seems to do quite well. It is definitely an excellent table radio ( it measures 12" wide ! ) for any and all locals, and has the potential to be an interesting radio for remote locations scouting out DX signals.

This will likely be my last Ferrite Fox radio ... I think I have covered the range of ferrite, and now have several radios to experiment with. This FF is by far the most interesting ... with it's large ferrite and 400-2500 kHz tuning range.

I can readily recommend trying a contra-wound ferrite on a TRF radio ... the improvement in tuning alone is worth the effort. And a larger ferrite core just might tame the overload problems commonly seen with the MK484 type TRF radios.

Cheers,

Tony

Postscript: The small meter on the front panel simply indicates the internal battery voltage ... so I know when to change batteries 8)

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Nice work again, Tony. Went back and read the original threads. All this out of turning up a big loopstick. How projects do grow legs and go off on their own! :shock: What's the next project?

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KR1S wrote:
Nice work again, Tony. Went back and read the original threads. All this out of turning up a big loopstick. How projects do grow legs and go off on their own! :shock: What's the next project?


Thanks Jim ... yes, the scope of my projects always seem to expand :roll:

I need to work on BatLoggers for a while, but I have a box of parts that I have been collecting to make a "Vintage" crystal radio. I have a very nice vintage vernier dial, the wooden box from a Radiola, some garolite, a nice basketweave coil, etc. Once I get some new jigsaw blades to attack the Garolite, I'm sure that will become the next radio project.

Meanwhile, I will continue to check out the other interesting posts and projects on the RadioBoard ... never know what might trigger another new project idea :)

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Yes, no end of inspiration here! Wish someone would find a solution to white-nose syndrome, while we still have bats! http://www.fws.gov/whitenosesyndrome/ So far, not in Florida, but it's probably only a matter of time.

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UPDATE: DX REPORT ...

I've been listening for a while with this radio, and can report that, in the evening, I usually can hear the following stations:

590 - KSUB - 5 KW - Cedar City, Utah ( 150 miles )
610 - KAVL - 4 KW - Lancaster, California ( 200 miles )
640 - KFI - 50 KW - Los Angeles ( Burbank ), California ( 200 miles )
660 - KTNN - 50 KW - Window Rock, Arizona ( 340 miles )
680 - KNBR - 50 KW - San Francisco ( Belmont ), California ( 400 miles )
1090 - XEPRS - 50 KW - Tecate, Baja California, Mexico ( 250 miles )
1700 - XEPE - 10 KW - Tecate, Baja California, Mexico ( 250 miles )
2500 - WWV - 2.5 KW - Fort Collins, Colorado ( 620 miles )

So that should give some indication of the performance of this radio. Las Vegas is in a north/south oriented valley, and the mountains are a bit of an obstacle ... but there is still DX to be heard. I'd like to break the 500 mile range on the AM band though ...

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I'd like to break the 500 mile range on the AM band though ...

I've never listened from out there, and conditions are much different on the East Coast, but I have an idea that may work, if you're willing to get up early. :shock: You'll have to check for their sunrise times, but you should be able to hear some of these after sunset at your end and before sunrise at theirs:

WSM 650 Nashville
WGN 720 Chicago
WSB 750 Atlanta
WCCO 830 Minneapolis
WHAS 840 Louisville
WWL 870 New Orleans
KMOX 1120 St Louis
KOKC 1520 Oklahoma City

It's getting late in the season for AM DX, and the lightning static will be picking up, but I'm sure you can log a few of these stations. Take a nap in the afternoon. :wink:

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KR1S wrote:
WSM 650 Nashville
WGN 720 Chicago
WSB 750 Atlanta
WCCO 830 Minneapolis
WHAS 840 Louisville
WWL 870 New Orleans
KMOX 1120 St Louis
KOKC 1520 Oklahoma City



The difficulty with many of those are the local stations. I have 15 locals that still have solid signals in the evenings... For example 720 - KDWN, a clear channel blow torch at 50 KW, and slots held by KXNT - 840. KLSQ - 870. Once I rotate the radio to null out KDWN, I have a pattern that runs NE to SW ... so that tells a lot of the story.

I may need to figure out a way to null out KDWN in such a way as to be able to orient the ferrite to pick up more to the east and west. But that will likely entail adding a coupling loop to the ferrite antenna :?

My other plan is to take the radio with me on trips to less populous areas, like Death Valley, or the Grand Canyon, and see what I can pick up from there ... away from local stations.

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Tony,

Yes, the Clear Channels aren't, anymore! I have similar problems with stations to the west, like Denver and LA. A selective hurricane that took out a few towers without hurting anyone would be a real bonus to my States count! I sometimes hear KSL, so you should be able to snag something from the east that isn't blocked by a local. I'm sure you'll break 500 miles eventually!

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ANOTHER DX RECORD for the Ferrite Fox !!
KR1S wrote:
Yes, the Clear Channels aren't, anymore! I have similar problems with stations to the west, like Denver and LA. A selective hurricane that took out a few towers without hurting anyone would be a real bonus to my States count! I sometimes hear KSL, so you should be able to snag something from the east that isn't blocked by a local. I'm sure you'll break 500 miles eventually!

Well Jim, I did it ... two days after I finished the 2012 RadioBoard contest run with FF#5, I decided to do some listening with good ole FF#3 to start comparing the two radios. At 8:00 P.M. I tuned a DX station just in time to hear it's ID ... KOKC, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - on 1520kHz -- 1,000 miles away ! So I have definitely broken the 500 mile limit. I guess I'll use the FF#3 for the next contest :?

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Night Flyer wrote:
Well Jim, I did it ... two days after I finished the 2012 RadioBoard contest run with FF#5, I decided to do some listening with good ole FF#3 to start comparing the two radios. At 8:00 P.M. I tuned a DX station just in time to hear it's ID ... KOKC, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - on 1520kHz -- 1,000 miles away ! So I have definitely broken the 500 mile limit. I guess I'll use the FF#3 for the next contest :?

Congrats on KOKC! One event doesn't carry a lot of weight, so don't banish FF #5 just yet. It may have been a propagation anomaly. Conditions lately on MW have been very variable to say the least. I'd want to do several side-by-side comparisons before saying one Fox is better than the other. In another month or so, conditions will begin to improve with longer nights, and you'll probably find lots of DX on both radios.

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KR1S wrote:
I'd want to do several side-by-side comparisons before saying one Fox is better than the other. In another month or so, conditions will begin to improve with longer nights, and you'll probably find lots of DX on both radios.

I agree ... at this point I wouldn't say one radio is actually "better" than the other ... they have different personalities. The FF#3 has the large signal magnet ferrite, with a band-spreading contra wound coils, but the FF#5 has a higher Q ferrite coil, and a smooth vernier tuning cap ... so they both have good points in their favor. I'm definitely looking forward to the longer nights of winter though :)

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KR1S wrote:
I'd want to do several side-by-side comparisons before saying one Fox is better than the other. In another month or so, conditions will begin to improve with longer nights, and you'll probably find lots of DX on both radios.

I agree ... at this point I wouldn't say one radio is actually "better" than the other ... they have different personalities. The FF#3 has the large signal magnet ferrite, with a band-spreading contra wound coils, but the FF#5 has a higher Q ferrite coil, and a smooth vernier tuning cap ... so they both have good points in their favor. I'm definitely looking forward to the longer nights of winter though :)

Gotta work those sunsets! Then a few hours later, things will perk up again. Finally, sunrises at the eastern end. The middle of the night can be a soup and they never seem to ID when they peak! I'm pretty sure those radios will pull in more than you think. Conditions should start improving in a month or so.

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